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	<title>Comments on: Oh No! We&#8217;re Eating the Offspring of Clones!</title>
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		<title>By: Irradiatus</title>
		<link>http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/09/oh-no-were-eating-the-offspring-of-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Irradiatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.

I think the point that needs to be made is that - yes, nuclear transfer technologies result in some defective embryos and animals - but those are discarded. Only healthy animals are used for breeding.

Of course they could argue til the cows come home that some lingering unknown dangers exist. But once a cloned line has gone through the germline, most if not all epigenetic problems should be gone as the nuclei are reprogrammed into gametes and then into a zygote, etc.  Unfortunately I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anyway to explain epigentics to the lay-burger-eaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>I think the point that needs to be made is that &#8211; yes, nuclear transfer technologies result in some defective embryos and animals &#8211; but those are discarded. Only healthy animals are used for breeding.</p>
<p>Of course they could argue til the cows come home that some lingering unknown dangers exist. But once a cloned line has gone through the germline, most if not all epigenetic problems should be gone as the nuclei are reprogrammed into gametes and then into a zygote, etc.  Unfortunately I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anyway to explain epigentics to the lay-burger-eaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Utilitarian</title>
		<link>http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/09/oh-no-were-eating-the-offspring-of-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Utilitarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am VERY well aware ...Thanks for the lesson.&quot;
No offense intended, I didn&#039;t mean to imply that you don&#039;t understand it, just that it was unclear. 

&#039;Precautionary principle&#039; types argue that the epigenetic issues might cause some unknown negative effects, and if readers see claims that clones are identical to the donor animals from scientists, and then Green arguments about birth defects, they are more likely to buy into the latter than if the distinction (and the fact that the differences fade in the next generation) had been made clear originally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am VERY well aware &#8230;Thanks for the lesson.&#8221;<br />
No offense intended, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that you don&#8217;t understand it, just that it was unclear. </p>
<p>&#8216;Precautionary principle&#8217; types argue that the epigenetic issues might cause some unknown negative effects, and if readers see claims that clones are identical to the donor animals from scientists, and then Green arguments about birth defects, they are more likely to buy into the latter than if the distinction (and the fact that the differences fade in the next generation) had been made clear originally.</p>
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		<title>By: Irradiatus</title>
		<link>http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/09/oh-no-were-eating-the-offspring-of-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Irradiatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean is, from the standpoint of the meat obtained from such animals, they are biochemically equivalent.

That is to say, they do not contain transgenes or any added molecules. From a food safety standpoint they are identical.

I am VERY well aware of the difference between the hosts, donors, first clones, and offspring of clones.  I am also well aware of the high incidence of birth defects of cloned animals.  Thanks for the lesson.

My statement was meant to compare the host meat, with meat from the offspring of clones, which is identical (in the way that meat from any two different cows is identical - NOT in absolute terms, obviously).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean is, from the standpoint of the meat obtained from such animals, they are biochemically equivalent.</p>
<p>That is to say, they do not contain transgenes or any added molecules. From a food safety standpoint they are identical.</p>
<p>I am VERY well aware of the difference between the hosts, donors, first clones, and offspring of clones.  I am also well aware of the high incidence of birth defects of cloned animals.  Thanks for the lesson.</p>
<p>My statement was meant to compare the host meat, with meat from the offspring of clones, which is identical (in the way that meat from any two different cows is identical &#8211; NOT in absolute terms, obviously).</p>
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		<title>By: Utilitarian</title>
		<link>http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/09/oh-no-were-eating-the-offspring-of-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Utilitarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the offspring of a cloned animal is identical to it’s “parent”, as far as its chemical makeup and safety.&quot;

This sentence is confused. We have several groups of animals:

1. The normal genetic donors that provides a nucleus for SCNT.
2. The normal egg donors into which the nuclei are transferred.
3. The clones, which will suffer from a variety of epigenetic problems.
4. Offspring of the clones, which generally do not share the problems of their clone parents.

None of these groups are identical in chemical makeup to any of the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the offspring of a cloned animal is identical to it’s “parent”, as far as its chemical makeup and safety.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sentence is confused. We have several groups of animals:</p>
<p>1. The normal genetic donors that provides a nucleus for SCNT.<br />
2. The normal egg donors into which the nuclei are transferred.<br />
3. The clones, which will suffer from a variety of epigenetic problems.<br />
4. Offspring of the clones, which generally do not share the problems of their clone parents.</p>
<p>None of these groups are identical in chemical makeup to any of the others.</p>
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